Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Waiting for 3.11 artifacts.

At 4:00 AM -0800 12/9/08, squeak-dev-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org apparently wrote:
>Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:54:31 +0000
>From: Keith Hodges <keith_hodges@yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Waiting for 3.11 artifacts.
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>Andreas Raab wrote:
>> These are *excellent* thoughts. Perhaps we can get a bit more clarity
>> by summarizing the answers to the following questions (apologies if
>> this amounts to repeating things that have been said many times before):
>>
>> 1. What is the current status of 3.11 - has work on it "officially"
>> started? (yes/no/dunno are all fine answers here; I'm trying to
>> establish the basics in terms of where in the process we are)
>I have held back from saying it is "officially" started, due to pressure
>to deliver on work deadlines, which have suffered due to my extreme
>domestic pressures recently. Home life has returned to normal but still
>my paid work is a priority.
>
>Nevertheless the goals were stated in the paper that Matthew presented
>to the board, and those goals have been worked upon and stuff is in the
>process of coming online.
>> 2. What are the goals for 3.11? I have seen references to
>> http://installer.pbwiki.com/311 - is this "the place" for it? (again
>> yes/no/perhaps are all good answers, I just want to make sure we're
>> using the same frame of reference)
>"THE" place of reference is the 311-Proposal accessible from that page.
>
>Matthew might update things in the next week or two.
>> 3. Where are we in the process towards these goals? Both from a
>> high-level perspective as well as the nitty-gritty details of things
>> that don't work but need to be addressed for a release.
>Many of the parts are in place. We are waiting for Bob to bring them all
>together, Bob was waiting for Rio to support ftp seamlessly.
>> 4. How does one best track progress for 3.11? Is there an update
>> stream? Are there Monticello releases? Mantis entries? Installer
>> scripts? Alpha images? All of them?
>1. packages@lists.squeakfoundation.com - receives emails of all of the
>monticello package commits for the components that contribute to 3.11
>
>2. release@lists.squeakfoundation.com - discussion on the release
>(though irc is our preferred means of communication)
>
>3. www.squeaksource.com/Tasks - has the actual build tasks, the roadmap
>is embodied in this code. This is where you can contribute tasks, or
>define your own personal test builds for Bob to build and test for you
>
>4. www.squeaksource.com/Packages - loading and unloading packages, this
>is where you can contribute knowledge about what works where, AND how to
>unload things. e.g. "Castrait" (see previous mail) could be published
>here, as could SqueakByExample. Recent addition include a Kernel-Tracer
>unload, and a Null unload, a ProcessSpecific unload, AllTests (hunts
>down tests for the loaded packages), and Tasks (loads tasks for this
>version and the next)
>
>5. A Mantis revival is on the way. There will be some queries for you to
>see progress on bug fixing very clearly.
>
>6. Image build script is Installer installUrl:
>'http://installer.pbwiki.com/311'. When it completes (it used to) we
>will publish an image.
>> 5. How does one best contribute to 3.11? (both, for more long-term
>> continued development as well as the ten-minute scratch-an-itch kind
>> of exercise)
>a. Small fixes and Additional Tests - ChangeSet on Mantis, AND an
>Installer script on mantis.
>b. Bigger Kernel contributions add your task to ReleaseSqueak310, and
>add it as a dependency, or step to one of the build steps.
>c. Kernel contributions can be made as a monticello package which is
>merged into the kernel by a task.
>d. Unloading stuff - changeset on mantis, and unload script in Packages
>e. Knowledge of what loads where (basic dependencies -> Universes)
>anything more Packages
>f. Tutorials/Readmes/Intrductions use the MC files feature to put the
>files under monticello, and add a corresponding Packages entry for
>load/unload
>g. Build scripts for Bob, particularly the OneClick image
>> I think that maybe one of our problems here is that we lost a little
>> track of what exactly the goals for 3.11 are and where we're in the
>> process relative to those and I think get some clarity on that might
>> help for future steps.
>hope that helps a bit
>
>Keith